00:25:45 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Welcome everyone, thanks for joining week 5 in this series promoting peace with China! 00:26:42 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Please enjoy the sounds of Chinese classical pipa/lute before we begin at 8pm ET 00:28:24 Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed: greetings from New York City 00:31:27 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: You can view info on the full Coalition Peace webinar series topics & speakers on their site here: https://www.coalitionpeaceinitiative.org/activities/ 00:31:56 Mei Lam: Hi, everyone, please feel free to tell us what city you are from? Thanks. 00:32:03 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: 👉 Register through Zoom with your name to receive reminders for all 9 weeks: http://tiny.cc/registertruth 👉 View the webinars later: After each webinar, the links for the replay video and the audio podcast files, as well as the ChatBox comments will be sent out to registrants and can be found on the Coalition Peace Initiative website: https://www.coalitionpeaceinitiative.org/replay-files-for-webinar-series/ 00:32:27 Mei Lam: I am from San Francisco! 00:33:18 Jeffery Hull: Hello from Madison WI 00:33:49 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Welcome everyone, thanks for joining week 5 in this series promoting peace with China, w/ Dr. Kenneth Hammond! 00:34:13 Stefan Langenborg: I heard you on the critical hour Ken, really excellent job talking about the DPRK 00:34:40 Peter T Lam: Hello All, Its Peter Lam from San Francisco ! 00:35:09 Alex Hu: hey guys it's alex in boston :) 00:36:07 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Ben Norton of Grayzone was singing your praises to our China Is Not Our Enemy volunteer team last week, Dr. Hammond 00:37:29 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Thank you to this webinar series’ co-sponsoring orgs. Please check them out:
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From Oct. 22 to 25, the International Tribunal on U.S. Human Rights Abuses Against Black, Brown and Indigenous Peoples will convene, both in person 00:44:43 Aidan Cross: Can assure you that British people also have such a perspective. 00:45:13 Stefan Langenborg: That's extremely cool Alvin, thank you for sharing 00:45:48 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Yes, Alvin, thanks for sharing 00:47:29 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Chinese excluded yet again 👎 00:48:05 catherine podojil: Victorious Western countries really know how to betray their supporters, don't they? 00:49:43 Alex Hu: Yes, they do. Over and over. See: Kurdish fighters 00:50:12 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: ^ ++ 00:50:21 catherine podojil: Yes, I need to know more about that, thanks. 00:50:53 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Imperialist “alliances” are not really about true allyship; they are a means to a political end: hegemony 00:52:02 Aidan Cross: You can see that since Afghanistan, many so-called 'allies' of the West are in denial that they would be abandoned. 00:54:08 catherine podojil: Why anyone trusts the U.S. or other western countries today is a mystery. I think the concept of trust is very deep, deep enough to overlook the examples of betrayal. 00:56:19 Alvin Ja: Also in Guangzhou (Canton Uprising) 00:59:37 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: A great example of why propaganda and false information must be challenged before it is used to justify US military intervention in China 01:01:38 Aidan Cross: You would think the threat of nuclear war would be enough to persuade people that war is not a convenient pursuit. 01:01:43 Aidan Cross: To put it lightly 01:01:48 Lillian Sing: Ken Hammond is one of the best speakers on these complex issues. He is truly a great professor. We are so fortunate to have him teach us. 01:03:33 catherine podojil: Aidan, the thinking in many U.S.people is that the U.S.would survive a nuclear war. It's part of U.S. exceptionalism, at least that's what I think. 01:06:37 Aidan Cross: A fair point. From a UK perspective, being an island and all, makes nuclear war a bit more problematic. Though common sense has never got in the way of the UK happily joining the US in every foreign policy 'endeavour'. 01:06:50 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Sadly, in the long term, plutonium pits and military poisons will continue to harm US citizens too as the US proliferates more nuclear weapons & increases militarization 01:07:05 Stefan Langenborg: china just completed a successful hypersonic rocket test, so even the empire has to know that there's no safety even on the other side of the world 01:07:10 Stefan Langenborg: god willing they take the hint 01:08:59 Aidan Cross: Western MSM would have never reported it in the way they did unless there is something to gain from such a revelation e.g. a bigger Pentagon budget 01:09:06 Aidan Cross: If such a thing is possible 01:09:39 Michael Wong: It would only take 100 nuclear bombs to trigger nuclear winter, which would likely end humanity and most advanced life forms on the planet. But many of our elites don't believe in nuclear winter. Some don't even believe in climate change. Their insanity is the greatest danger we face. 01:10:04 Stefan Langenborg: Truman the monster, one of history's great evils 01:11:21 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: FWIW, chemical weapons can be just as deadly in the long run. Research botox. Yes, the puffy lips botox. That stuff is extremely lethal. Any and all botox manufacturing facility can also be a potential chemical weapons factory. 01:12:10 Stefan Langenborg: the Chinese people have stood up <3 <3 01:12:33 Alvin Ja: This period of history discussed by Ken is portrayed in this 2-hour performance, "East is Red": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQaK3tL6qIE 01:12:58 catherine podojil: Stefan, Truman issues other than anti-communism and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? 01:13:23 Aidan Cross: The infamous image of US bases 01:13:40 Stefan Langenborg: the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are one of the single greatest evils committed by a human being 01:13:48 Alvin Ja: Great lecture, Ken! 01:14:14 s lo: "Honorable Survivor: Mao's China, McCarthy's America, and the persecution of John S. Service" written by Lynne Joiner (2009) is biography about his experiences in wartime China. 01:14:56 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: As KJ Noh of Pivot to Peace notes, the border regions of US interest for destabilization in China are the weakest areas, like the back of the neck and the throat when you consider an image of China like the image of a face 01:15:22 Lillian Sing: Alvin, I concur. It is one of the best I have heard. He is a great teacher and able to explain complex China history so succinctly and simply but incorporating all the important issues. I especially like the topic of the legacies of tension that Ken is now addressing. 01:15:25 Stefan Langenborg: Excellent point Ken! 01:15:46 Stefan Langenborg: Mao and the following communist leaders understood that the fight against counter revolution is always ongoing 01:17:47 Michael Wong: Here's KJ Noh's article that Madison Tang refers to: https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/articles/what-is-to-be-done 01:19:11 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Here is a great informal thread on unequal treaties that the ROC govt in Taiwan signed with the US, putting China at severe risk of becoming a colony of the US:

https://twitter.com/Dragondescendan/status/1433039261310144521?s=20 01:20:02 Stefan Langenborg: interestingly, the US has always maintained the One China policy themselves, but now seem to push against it 01:20:28 Stefan Langenborg: or at least talk around it in media 01:21:44 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: A sophisticated arms sale amounting to $750 M and extensive US gov’t support services, plus US troops in Taiwan, are violations of the One China Policy and the Three Communiques 01:21:55 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Actions > words 01:22:23 Stefan Langenborg: We're very lucky that china is patient and deliberate 01:22:32 Stefan Langenborg: they'd have every right to consider it a red line 01:22:45 Stefan Langenborg: and force the issue 01:23:20 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: US policy of “Strategic ambiguity” re Taiwan 01:23:30 Stefan Langenborg: even the ROC government maintained the one china policy! because they didn't want to renounce any part of their claim 01:23:50 Stefan Langenborg: all this talk about 'Taiwan airspace', 'limbo' is insane 01:23:54 Stefan Langenborg: just outright lies 01:23:54 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: BTW, is there some research that shows whether the people in Taiwan want to be, don't want to be or are indifferent to being part of China? How do the regular people feel? 01:24:53 Stefan Langenborg: there's been a growuing sense of a distinct Taiwanese identity 01:25:09 Alex Hu: @Fahim -I think most people in most countries are somewhat ambivalent, but lean towards their country's nationalism. However, Taiwanese indigenous people aren't too happy with the ROC colonizing them. Something the anti-CCP social justice crowd doesn't like to hear. 01:25:16 Stefan Langenborg: and a lot of people do want independence, but this is 100% an internal issue that the US and its military have no part in 01:25:29 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: ^ Including erasure of Han identity as well as of indigenous Taiwanese identity 01:26:10 Michael Wong: Recent polls in Taiwan show that a majority want to maintain the status quo, in which there is only "one China," but in practical terms Taiwan continues to operate on it's own. 01:26:11 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Many Taiwanese-identified people believe they need the US to protect them but resent the coercive measures the US implements 01:26:50 Alvin Ja: Fahim, it's important to understand the context of 'divide and rule'. In order to destabilize non-subservient states, the West has a history of weaponizing academic anthropologists to promote separate identity. You see this separate identity issue promoted in HK, Taiwan, Xinjiang........... 01:26:54 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: There is a lot of talk in the State Dept of Taiwan being the next Israel, as in a useful “democratic”/capitalist nation in a region of interest 01:27:04 Stefan Langenborg: Exactly alvin 01:27:15 Stefan Langenborg: these created 'nationalities' are deliberate productions 01:27:47 Stefan Langenborg: even in cases of real nations, the differences are leveraged and exacerbated to sow division\ 01:27:51 Stefan Langenborg: eg balkanisation 01:28:02 sandy w: will Don ever get to the Q&A or did I miss it? he didn't get to the Q&A last time 01:28:15 sandy w: like audience submitted questions, not his own 01:28:30 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: Thanks please don't get me wrong. I am totally with it being an internal issue and not having any international intervention, let alone US led intervention that has been batting a hundred supporting reactionaries. I'm just trying to understand if it is a beef between the elites or do people genuinely have some kind of an uber nationalism thing going on. 01:29:27 Stefan Langenborg: yeah I always try to stress the internal fact of it first and foremost, but it is true that this kind of produced nationality/identity/superiority can and does take some root over time 01:29:41 Alvin Ja: Fahim, not intended to be an attack. Just understanding how separate identity is used to promote Western interests. 01:29:58 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Indigenous Luchuans in Ryukyu are strongly against a US-led war on China and are actively protesting the US’s new marine base construction in Okinawa, as well as US military poisoning and military crimes against indigenous Luchuans 01:30:08 Alex Hu: probably important to also point out, in the east, there's a more cohesive "we" rather than western "me" 01:30:12 Michael Wong: Alvin, Stefan, and others are right. The US is playing Taiwan, Xinjiang, and Hong Kong in "divide and conquer" just like they played different nations, peoples, and religious groups in the Middle East against each other. You see the result there. The US is also playing the different nations of Asia against each other, to the same goal, divide, destroy, conquer all. 01:30:58 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: The US also uses the divide and conquer strategy of creating a colonizer narrative/tribalism in Africa, like in Darfur 01:30:59 Stefan Langenborg: and it should not need to be said, but the US can obviously never be understood as an honest broker fighting for the principle of national liberation 01:31:15 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: Thanks Alvin on the divide and rule. Having grown up in Pakistan and family from Iran my nose for divide and rule business is well honed.😂 01:31:26 Stefan Langenborg: how many national liberation movements have been assassinated because they weren't expedient for American hegemony 01:32:20 Stefan Langenborg: didn't know you were Pakistani fahim, that's really one of the principle examples of this for sure 01:32:36 catherine podojil: Stefan, see "Killing Hope" by Bill Blum. 01:33:03 Alvin Ja: The Brits were experts in divide & rule in the Indian subcontinent! 01:33:10 Alex Hu: what map did he just say?? 01:33:29 Stefan Langenborg: definitely, catherine 01:34:15 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: The US has extreme FOMO: fear of missing out 01:34:24 Michael Wong: A map by the KMT in 1947. That's as much as I caught. 01:34:32 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: The US isn’t part of any trade agreements in the Asia-Pacific right now and it is not happy 01:35:08 Alvin Ja: And as far as I understand, the UNCLOS case was initiated by the US, NOT Phillippines. 01:35:23 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: Actually Stefan, family is largely Iranian, but moved around from Burma to Bangladesh to Germany to Pakistan to Saudi Arabia to the US. It's a long convo, but yes the nose for divide and rule and intervention is strong having a very diverse background. 01:35:43 Stefan Langenborg: oh wow, that's a real tour 01:35:54 Alex Hu: very cool fahim! 01:36:39 Michael Wong: Wow, Fahim, you've seen a lot. 01:37:24 Stefan Langenborg: been on all sides of imperialism haha 01:37:49 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Fahim, is one of our CODEPINK China Is Not Our Enemy volunteers. Fahim is awesome! 01:38:06 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Pan-Asian anti-imperialist solidarity ❤️ 01:39:41 Alex Hu: If you want to hear "China IS our enemy" sentiments, the International Relations Council does a fantastic job. Their stuff is on Eventbrite but never recorded to be on record lol. Play nice. Pretty sure they're related to Koch Industries but definitely related to libertarianism (which of course hates China's state-controlled economy). 01:40:10 Alex Hu: Btw, the people on their China is our enemy panels are all Chinese-americans 01:40:22 Stefan Langenborg: compradors 01:42:35 Alvin Ja: Yes, knowledge, especially historical, is important. American voters are lacking in this knowledge, which results in the negative perceptions about China. 01:42:37 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: I think the success of Japanese invasion can be looked in terms of US invasions. High tech can make invasion and initial "victory" is easy with tech, but there's a difference between walking through smashing doors vs sitting around and holding on. The will of the occupied will always win over the brutishness of the occupier. 01:43:02 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Please join us for CODEPINK’s next China Is Not Our Enemy webinar Wed 10/27 12pm ET A View from India: The Quad & AUKUS with Jodie Evans & Prabir Purkayastha of Newsclick.in
 https://www.codepink.org/10272021 01:43:40 Michael Wong: Good summary, Fahim. 01:43:58 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: Madison, what time are you going on for the European version of CINOE this Saturday? 01:44:16 Stefan Langenborg: Prabir is great, such a cool guest to bring on 01:45:09 Stefan Langenborg: Bandung! <3 <3 01:45:12 Alex Hu: This has been great. Thanks for bringing on Kenneth Hammond. 01:45:20 Stefan Langenborg: Ken's been really great 01:45:23 Alvin Ja: Thank you, Don and all! 01:45:27 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Fahim, for No Cold War’s: Europe Against the New Cold War: China Is Not Our Enemy webinar, I’m not sure of the order, but it begins 3am PT/6am ET

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/europe-against-the-cold-war-china-is-not-our-enemy-tickets-186596534257 01:45:35 Peter T Lam: Thank you Professor Hammond. Great talk on History of China! 01:45:45 Tom Shih: Thank you so much Professor Hammond! 01:45:50 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Thank you so much Professor Hammond for speaking today! 01:45:54 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: Newsclick.in had a great interview with Manuel Thomas on the Opium Wars this week. It's on FB. 01:46:16 Michael Wong: Great talk by Ken Hammond! Thanks so much! 01:46:16 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: What a great talk this evening. Thank you Dr. Hammond. 01:46:28 Aidan Cross: A great webinar, worth staying up for. 01:46:29 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Fahim, send that to the CINOE folks! Thanks, sounds great 01:46:34 Jeffery Hull: Thank you Professor Hammond China 5k history provides insight for today. Thank you Don, Lillian and Madison 01:46:54 Andrew Chang: Thank you Professor Hammond!!!!! 01:47:41 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Follow Pivot to Peace to see more of Professor Hammond & Judge Julie Tang’s work!
 https://peacepivot.org/ https://twitter.com/peacepivot 01:48:00 Stefan Langenborg: thanks! 01:48:00 Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed: thanks so much for these informative seminars! 01:48:14 FAHIM SHIRAZEE: Thank you all again. 01:48:27 Madison Tang, CODEPINK: Thanks everyone for joining